Phil King
2018-05-14 21:54:29 UTC
libsdl1-dev i read this some ware in one of your post that this is needed to compile simh vax in linux to run the video i tried to recall from memory but one spelling is not my thing and my short term mem is not all that great once in long term good. Hey i am sorry to be such a pain but as i said i am a big fan of your work .. I can afford to have the real thing and your emulators work like i would never expect. Thanks for making them free. I will donate as soon as i get some things settled here with my home and health. i will send the other info you requested shortlythanks in advancePhil
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Hi Phil,
Dave suggested how DECWindows is started when the system boots, but it isnât clear that you done everything else that might be necessary for that to be useful.
You mention libcbl-dev, but Iâve never heard of that. Maybe youâve mistyped something.
A little more information will be useful to help you:
1)Â Â Â Please provide the output produced when you built the simulator you are working with.
2)Â Â Â Please provide the configuration file you are using to setup and run your simulator
3)Â Â Â Please provide the output produced when you enter SHOW VERSION at the âsim> â prompt when running the simulator in question.
- Mark
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Is there anything i need to do to get openvms to load the video driver it is compile with with the proper dev lib
Phil
thanks in advance
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interestingly enough the pdp8 simulator seems fine. At least with rx devices
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Hi Phil,
Dave suggested how DECWindows is started when the system boots, but it isnât clear that you done everything else that might be necessary for that to be useful.
You mention libcbl-dev, but Iâve never heard of that. Maybe youâve mistyped something.
A little more information will be useful to help you:
1)Â Â Â Please provide the output produced when you built the simulator you are working with.
2)Â Â Â Please provide the configuration file you are using to setup and run your simulator
3)Â Â Â Please provide the output produced when you enter SHOW VERSION at the âsim> â prompt when running the simulator in question.
- Mark
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Is there anything i need to do to get openvms to load the video driver it is compile with with the proper dev lib
Phil
thanks in advance
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interestingly enough the pdp8 simulator seems fine. At least with rx devices
Same issue on my desktop.
I have used this very same process on older versions with my desktop
running an AMD FX processor, linux mint 18, and it has worked.
I went to the trailing edge page and went to the software kits section and
downloaded the 2 RSTS images.
I have looked in my archived copies if the kit, and the file sizes for the
disk images in my archived copy match the newly downloaded one.
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta    git commit id: 9d2079df
sim> set cpu 1m
Disabling RK
Disabling HK
Disabling TM
sim> at rl0 rsts_full_rl.dsk
sim>
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current    git commit id: c1894a7d
sim> set cpu 1m
Disabling RK
Disabling HK
Disabling TM
sim> at rl0 rsts_full_rl.dsk
RL0: non expandable disk rsts_full_rl.dsk is smaller than simulated device
(2617KW < 2621KW)
File open error
sim>
this image I am using (rsts_full_rl.dsk) is newly downloaded from the kits
page on the
trailing edge site.
-------------- next part --------------I have used this very same process on older versions with my desktop
running an AMD FX processor, linux mint 18, and it has worked.
I went to the trailing edge page and went to the software kits section and
downloaded the 2 RSTS images.
I have looked in my archived copies if the kit, and the file sizes for the
disk images in my archived copy match the newly downloaded one.
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta    git commit id: 9d2079df
sim> set cpu 1m
Disabling RK
Disabling HK
Disabling TM
sim> at rl0 rsts_full_rl.dsk
sim>
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current    git commit id: c1894a7d
sim> set cpu 1m
Disabling RK
Disabling HK
Disabling TM
sim> at rl0 rsts_full_rl.dsk
RL0: non expandable disk rsts_full_rl.dsk is smaller than simulated device
(2617KW < 2621KW)
File open error
sim>
this image I am using (rsts_full_rl.dsk) is newly downloaded from the kits
page on the
trailing edge site.
First, please follow the exact same steps (grabbing the same disk image),
using the same configuration file on any of your other favorite simh
hosts. If this produces the same result, then it's not a platform problem.
In any case, precisely describe the steps, configuration file and source
of the disk image.
Let me know what you find.
 - Mark
Ok. So I switched to my tablet (Samsung tab a) running 7.1.1 and things
built fine. I pulled the software kit for rsts and when I tried to mount
the prebuilt rl0 the simulator errored.
RL0: non expandable disk rsts_full_r.dsk is smaller than simulated device
(2617KW < 2621KW)
File size according to ls -l is 5235200
Any ideas?
Skip the AltairZ80 for now. The change that caused the redefinition was
done to potentially help the AltairZ80 author to fix the glob.h missing
issue.
Pull the latest and you should hopefully be able to build all but the
AltairZ80 simulator.
Jewhurst
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 4:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
I just got that error too and now after doing a make clean, I cannot
build anything.
I'm having issues compiling on the note 8 with android 8.
Getting glob.h not found on the altairz80 and most give a warning about
redefinition of *DIR_ENTRY_CALLBACK
Kernel if 4.4.78
Works fine for me - LineageOS 14.1 (which is basically Nougat 7.1) on a
Nexus 7 tablet.
 John.
The github master branch code should now work under termux on Android for
at least Marshmallow on up. I have tested Marshmallow and Oreo. I would
1)Â Â Â Install termux from the Google Play Store
  $ pkg install clang make git
  $ git clone https://github.com/simh/simh
  $ cd simh
  $ make vax
  $ BIN/vax
  sim> B
If you end up at the >>> prompt everything looks good. If you did this
without a physical keyboard connected, you wonât be able to type Control-E
to get back to the sim> prompt. Just enter B ZZZ which is an unknown
device and the boot ROM will halt returning you to the sim> prompt.
Once you get that far, all the other simulators should build fine and be
usable pretty much like on most other Linux environments. Things which
require root access wonât work since termux doesnât give you that. It
would be interesting to know if NAT mode networking works for the VAX
simulatorsâŠ
*From:* Mark Pizzolato
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 11:00 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
Hi Ray,
Give the latest github code a try.
BTW, what Android version is running on your phone/tablet?
What is the output of âuname âaâ in your termux session?
-Â Â Â Â Â Mark
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*Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
To follow up a little more on this.
The call to tcsetattr() is failing with errno: 13 â Permission denied
*From:* Mark Pizzolato
*Sent:* Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:47 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
I did a little digging and struggled with typing a whole bunch on my
phone.
The problem youâre seeing is due to the Linux OS environment youâre
running under doesnât support ârawâ mode for terminal I/O. When you
start a simulator the traffic to/from the simulated console device is
expected to be exactly the characters that the user types on the console
keyboard. To achieve this, the current tt mode is gathered with
tcgetattr()
then those attributes are adjusted so that every character typed is
received
without any interpretation by the OS and output is also not translated
(i.e.
\n only sends a LF character instead of CRLF characters). The error
message,
you seeing is due to the call a tcsetattr() failing.
*Sent:* Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
If youâre not comfortable digging into this yourself, then please create
an
Issue at https://github.com/simh/simh/issues <https://github.com/simh/simh/issues%20> and spell out exactly how to
recreate your setup and reproduce the problem.
*Sent:* Saturday, May 5, 2018 5:48 PM
*Subject:* [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
Greetings
I have been trying forever to get simh to run under the Termux Android
shell app and got very close but no cigar. It builds okay but then when I
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current    git commit id: f2f4bfa8
sim> do rt1154f.ini
Disabling XQ
rt1154f.ini-3> b rk0
sim_ttrun() returned: Console input I/O error
sim>
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ray
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using the same configuration file on any of your other favorite simh
hosts. If this produces the same result, then it's not a platform problem.
In any case, precisely describe the steps, configuration file and source
of the disk image.
Let me know what you find.
 - Mark
Ok. So I switched to my tablet (Samsung tab a) running 7.1.1 and things
built fine. I pulled the software kit for rsts and when I tried to mount
the prebuilt rl0 the simulator errored.
RL0: non expandable disk rsts_full_r.dsk is smaller than simulated device
(2617KW < 2621KW)
File size according to ls -l is 5235200
Any ideas?
Skip the AltairZ80 for now. The change that caused the redefinition was
done to potentially help the AltairZ80 author to fix the glob.h missing
issue.
Pull the latest and you should hopefully be able to build all but the
AltairZ80 simulator.
Jewhurst
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 4:17 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
I just got that error too and now after doing a make clean, I cannot
build anything.
I'm having issues compiling on the note 8 with android 8.
Getting glob.h not found on the altairz80 and most give a warning about
redefinition of *DIR_ENTRY_CALLBACK
Kernel if 4.4.78
Works fine for me - LineageOS 14.1 (which is basically Nougat 7.1) on a
Nexus 7 tablet.
 John.
The github master branch code should now work under termux on Android for
at least Marshmallow on up. I have tested Marshmallow and Oreo. I would
1)Â Â Â Install termux from the Google Play Store
  $ pkg install clang make git
  $ git clone https://github.com/simh/simh
  $ cd simh
  $ make vax
  $ BIN/vax
  sim> B
If you end up at the >>> prompt everything looks good. If you did this
without a physical keyboard connected, you wonât be able to type Control-E
to get back to the sim> prompt. Just enter B ZZZ which is an unknown
device and the boot ROM will halt returning you to the sim> prompt.
Once you get that far, all the other simulators should build fine and be
usable pretty much like on most other Linux environments. Things which
require root access wonât work since termux doesnât give you that. It
would be interesting to know if NAT mode networking works for the VAX
simulatorsâŠ
*From:* Mark Pizzolato
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 11:00 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
Hi Ray,
Give the latest github code a try.
BTW, what Android version is running on your phone/tablet?
What is the output of âuname âaâ in your termux session?
-Â Â Â Â Â Mark
 __
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 8:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
To follow up a little more on this.
The call to tcsetattr() is failing with errno: 13 â Permission denied
*From:* Mark Pizzolato
*Sent:* Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:47 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
I did a little digging and struggled with typing a whole bunch on my
phone.
The problem youâre seeing is due to the Linux OS environment youâre
running under doesnât support ârawâ mode for terminal I/O. When you
start a simulator the traffic to/from the simulated console device is
expected to be exactly the characters that the user types on the console
keyboard. To achieve this, the current tt mode is gathered with
tcgetattr()
then those attributes are adjusted so that every character typed is
received
without any interpretation by the OS and output is also not translated
(i.e.
\n only sends a LF character instead of CRLF characters). The error
message,
you seeing is due to the call a tcsetattr() failing.
*Sent:* Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
If youâre not comfortable digging into this yourself, then please create
an
Issue at https://github.com/simh/simh/issues <https://github.com/simh/simh/issues%20> and spell out exactly how to
recreate your setup and reproduce the problem.
*Sent:* Saturday, May 5, 2018 5:48 PM
*Subject:* [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
Greetings
I have been trying forever to get simh to run under the Termux Android
shell app and got very close but no cigar. It builds okay but then when I
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current    git commit id: f2f4bfa8
sim> do rt1154f.ini
Disabling XQ
rt1154f.ini-3> b rk0
sim_ttrun() returned: Console input I/O error
sim>
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ray
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